spotify and major music labels should be sued for 13 trillion
Is this why the Spotify section on their torrent page says “Unavailable until further notice.”?
The fact that Anna’s Archive isn’t responding to the court tells me they couldn’t give a shit about the lawsuit.
Glorious.
“Sir, this is Wendys” energy.
Working Anna’s Archive link :
Did they release the actual music yet?
It would be funny if they didn’t actually have any of it and were just pestering the industry. But they did release all the metadata, and spotify seems to think it’s legit…
It’s funny because Spotify disabled app creation from their developer portal. I bet the scraping was just calling their APIs
TY!
And how much of that hypothetical $13 Trillion would be shared the poor, poor artists?
Roughly $0.00002/a/s/l/m
When this whole thing with Lily Allen was a thing, where she got more from posting feet pic on OnlyFans than from Spotify, someone posted an article that said Spotify is paying out like 150k-200k per month just for her streams. And yet only a tiny fraction of that ends up with her. Music labels fucking suck.
There are 15.43 million artist on spotify, so they’d get about $836,000 each.
Less Spotify’s share, and the record label’s share, and the lawyer’s share…and of course they’d give the artists with the most streams a bigger share (they’re the ones with the labels who get a big cut).
So about tree fiddy.
Wouldn’t that be somewhere along the lines of $1000 per person, if divided over every single person in the world?
Closer to 1600
Is this the music industry asking for more than all the money in the world again?
Yes, I did say again.
LINE MUST GO UP. ANY LINE ACTUALLY. WE’RE FUCKIN DESPERATE.
- Businesses everywhere
Well, more along the lines of 10% of all the worlds money.
… very reasonable indeed 😜
Say whatever you like. Like a tape measure, Money isn’t real, Giygas. Stop trying to Rape Heidi. She’ll get Mad, Pokey.
Is this something related to Mother?
And the completely, Totally Unrelated movie about Swiss Fast Ice Cheese.
Who is going to stop them? You?
$13.000.000.000.000
Like, are we 12 now? I too would come up with these bazonker numbers at that age.
Fuck Spotify,fuck the current legal system that got us here
The higher the number, the more the stock goes up when they announce it. Should be opposite though really if these guys are incompetent enough to lose $13 trillion because of a single pirate.
Are you going to tell me that investors are bumb enough not to see that nobody will ever even see a % of a % of a % of a % of a % of that number?
Why, none of that matters. Stock markets run on the hopes and dreams of investors. That’s how guys like Sam Altman can get away with evaluating their company at $1 trillion despite the bottom line showing them doing nothing but wasting funds.
So in other words, yes, they are that dumb
While I do agree in general, Open ai is not a public company. Valuation logics of private companies are quite different than stock market.
Friendly reminder that streaming services have negatively impacted artists and art cultivation. Headbanging while blackout drunk at a dive bar gig, without directly giving the band(s) a penny, would help them more than their semiannual Spotify payout
One of my favorite memories is inviting both my best friends and coworkers to a metal show at Saint Vitus, both groups hitting it off and making new friends, chatting with the bands at the merch table, and eating enough pizza to vomit on the sidewalk the moment I stepped outside.
If the litigants suffered these tremendous losses bc of AA, can they not deduct these losses from their taxes?
Oh, wait…
We can’t sleep at night, it was… It was… HORRIBLE
Apparently it’s legal and acceptable to demand, through a court, enough money to destroy the world economy.
Seriously, if I were the judge I’d throw out the lawsuit until they come up with a remotely realistic number. As it is, it makes the whole lawsuit look like a joke.
The whole lawsuit is a joke.
And it should be permanently thrown out and not seen again because of how unserious that number is.
That is not how laws work or what they are for. Do not be a child.
What about what they said was childish?
Nothing, you’re a big boy now.
The gratuitous vulgar nonsense of it is the point. Its LBJ slapping his cock on the desk during a serious meeting to drive home that you cant fucking stop him
These numbers are always shitty napkin math that assumes every pirate would be a paying customer even though a lot of them don’t have the money to even spend as much as they calculate, would just skip jumping through all the hoops they’ve created or don’t even have a legal way to purchase in their country. Completely brazen lies every time
The article says they are seeking $150K per track, which is the maximum legal amount.
And many will download just to hoard and not listen to that music ever. Like those “100 greatest hits from…” where you don’t know half of them and don’t like half of the ones you know.
Weird, I wasn’t aware that Spotify OWNED this music. I’m fairly certain they they only license it.
Spotify and Major Music Labels
I guess if I were an artist I’d look at this and feel justified suing Spotify for 1 billion dollars for the lack of protection of my music.
I assume any contracts detailing the guarantees of Spotify’s DRM are clear that it’s not Fail-Safe.
A hole that allowed people to download songs and one that allowed someone to download the entire collection are two different things.
I assume they were literally the same mechanism, but AA just did it distributed across many accounts.
we have stood with the artist community against piracy
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Anna’s archive is not giving you song downloads, but rather metadata
over a massive music data scrape
So when are you going to sue AI companies?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Anna’s archive is not giving you song downloads, but rather metadata
200gb meta, 300tb music. Just 300tb not released yet. Might be, might not.
So when are you going to sue AI companies?
I think some sue suno and settle for money. And GEMA (germany) sue openai for songtext.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Anna’s archive is not giving you song downloads, but rather metadata
Were they not going to release the songs as well? They just started with the metadata?
ETA: Yes, this is from their blog post about it:
The data will be released in different stages on our Torrents page:
[X] Metadata (Dec 2025)
[ ] Music files (releasing in order of popularity)
[ ] Additional file metadata (torrent paths and checksums)
[ ] Album art
[ ] .zstdpatch files (to reconstruct original files before we added embedded metadata)You can’t sue people for something they haven’t done yet. Presumably if and when the actual music files are released the damages will go up proportionally - probably to something like $(volume of the universe / Planck distance^3)
I am not sure the shareholders will accept such a meager compensation. Did you include emotional damage in your estimate?
You can’t
No. Because you’re meat. Not a real person with articles of incorporation and a robust legal department. Wake the fuck up.
sue companies
I don’t understand. This sentence does not parse. Thats like sending an email to the legal department of my kidneys.
I had a double take on that number they’re asking for.
$13 Trillion? Geez, fucking greedy much? Not that they haven’t been greedy before, but we’re used to seeing millions and billions that are asked per track (technically they’d ask ridiculous sums of like $10,000 ~ even $100,000 per track in the past). But this just glaringly demonstrate how greedy these fucks really are and they just gotta tell everyone about it.
I still say it was dumb of Anna to bother with Spotify but I like the defiance of just not caring.
I mean, is Anna’s archive under risk even? Yeah, worst case they can get every major DNS to ban them, but that won’t stop them from being accessible. And if they operate in a country that doesn’t give a shit, they won’t face consequences,especially if their opsec is good enough
Not to mention, things are backed up with torrents. If their servers get raided they would be able to restart where they left off
In my eyes, if you got the chance at something major like spotify’s entire library, you take it.
Lol, who’d they consult on that number, Joe Rogan? Fuck Spotify, another leech company getting rich off the talent of others.
According to the article, $150,000 is the maximum damages allowed per track. So $150,000/track * 86,000,000 tracks is around $13 Trillion. So they are asking for the maximum that the law allows.
They could ask for infinity billion dollars for all it matters; you can’t get blood from a stone.
Ah, it’s just such a wild number, I’m sure it’s meant as a scare tactic but it’s really more of an ‘sure ok buddy’.
