Where did you get my claims about Ubuntu from?

You joined a comment chain about Fedora and Ubuntu, so…

I didn’t write a word about Canonical bro.

Thought you’re the other dude

You are funny. Pocket is a core value?!?

I know your reading comprehension, or thinking for that matter, is not so good, but try to take the whole sentence and figure out how those examples fit in.

Can’t you handle that? Are you too fragile for that?

Don’t worry, I can handle laughing at you just fine. You seem to be losing it though.

And childish as you are, you assume you know what I’m talking about. That’s just a pathetic move! Learn to debate, and stop lying!

Holy shit, this must be what talking to Trump is like. You see an argument you don’t like, start screaming incoherent nonsense and fake news, mix in a few insults that make you feel superior, and end up thinking you’re debating anything.

I was responding in the context of users paying for access, the same thing OC was talking about. You would then need to create a for-profit entity in order to be able to charge for the use of the app.

Mozilla is more an organisation than a company. It turns profit to work for the free internet

There are 2 organizations, the Mozilla foundation and it’s subsidiary the Mozilla corporation. The corp is a for-profit entity, they’re the ones developing software, and generating revenue (mainly through the Google search deal).

in a world where companies with billions oppose it.

Source? The main opposition to Mozilla are ad agencies, and former employees who think they’ve abandoned their values (pocket, Google, AI, MDN, etc.). Their main opposition in the browser space has been keeping them afloat for years.

But yeah, I’m sure that this federated (which also means an organisation of a sort) will prevail on it’s own. Nice banner you have here - and the following is surely huge! ;-)

Wtf are you talking about? Learn what the federated part of fediverse means.

Also, love how you’re talking shit about federated services on a federated service. You can’t make this up.

And feddit du cost money - the cost is just shared by the ones making and maintaining the serves and software. But hey, keep believing it’s free…

No shit hosting cost money, I was specifically talking about the cost to the end user, the same thing as you…

Matrix is not free. It might be private - who knows for sure? And it’s not used by many…

Lmao

Matrix is a FOSS protocol, and there are multiple FOSS apps using that protocol. You can even host it on your own if you want to be absolutely sure nobody can get any possible metadata. You literally can’t get more sure than that unless you write it yourself…

Where did I write “for profit”? Are you really that clueless? A reasonable price, is what it cost to develop and maintain it, and promote it. You know, just like Mozilla does. It’s not a “for profit” company, it’s an organisation for internet privacy and freedom.

Again, the Mozilla corporation is a for-profit entity, and that’s why they’re able to charge for premium services…

So please stop you lies. That’s a childish way to try to argue!

Do a bit of research instead of spouting nonsense, calling names, and throwing tantrums. It’s not very mature.

I really won’t… The closest I’ll ever get to installing it is Mint, there’s absolutely no need to waste time decrapifying it myself. Maybe you’ll get there as well pal.

But what we need is for someone like Mozilla to make a messaging app

Hoping for a company to make a chat app

And at a reasonable price…

Are we paying for fediverse services? Are there any companies involved?

Privacy isn’t free - if anyone should be in doubt.

Matrix is federated, private, and free…

What exactly did I make up? Were you hoping for a company to make a for-profit federated app?

You’re commenting on federated social media that you’re hoping some company will create a centralised chat app… Use a matrix client my dude.

Fedora is indeed mostly backed by a for-profit company, always was.

Pretty much every successful FOSS project is funded by for-profits, but that doesn’t change the fact non-profit companies have completely different goals and obligations.

Not sure about the rest of the rant

That explains why you think people don’t use Ubuntu because it’s for noobs. They’re undoubtedly the scummiest distro since Novell-SUSE.

Yeah because fedora is made by a for-profit company that’s helping Microsoft EEE Linux, has sold user data to Amazon, shows ads in the terminal, collects contact info from Azure so the marketing team can upsell you, and hijacks established commands to trick you into using their package manager which slows down boot times with every package installed, oh wait…

You missed the overpriced and underpowered part. In the EU, the pinephone pro cost 600€, the same as the fairphone 6, and it’s significantly worse in every single way. Even if it actually worked, who in their right mind would pay that much for a device that’s going to run out of ram as soon as you open a few tabs in Firefox?

They base a lot of their development on the community though. So if the community isn’t up to it, then virtually no one at Pine64 is.

I doubt they’ll be fixing anything since they seem to have stopped selling them.

Also, if we go by their track record with the pinetime, PRs fixing basic functionality will be left open for years. Like how they can’t be bothered to accept fixes allowing the stopwatch to run in the background and not reset when you get a notification, let alone QoL improvements like being able to tell the time on your watch while the stopwatch is running.

I was on board the Fairphone hype, and while I think they have a good message, I actually think Pine64 does exactly what they do - just without the flashy marketing.

Exactly what they do, except it’s not a functional product. “Overpriced, underpowered, and half-finished” is the motto of pine64.

Answer to both 1 and 2: start with an Emacs “distro” like Doom Emacs or Spacemacs. Starting from scratch as a beginner is a surefire way to quit.

Zoxide: z ds

My NixOS config works this way

nixos-rebuild switch --upgrade for system package upgrades and config changes

home-manager switch for user package updates and config changes

Great points about learning, but I’m just explaining what my original comment was about: daily experience of using a distro and reliability.

For me arch installation was the most educational Linux experience since after 10+ years of using Linux, that was the first time I clearly understood each part of the system. But tbh that knowledge has so far been mostly academic - knowledge for the sake of knowledge.

All this comparing and inter-distro warring seems pointless.

It’s got a point when every thread has people recommending arch, even when it’s not relevant in any way. We’re talking about arch in a thread about a nixos guide after all.

But there is in nixos you donkey…

There’s not a lot of competition in the bleeding edge rolling distro space, so I think it’s fair to compare them. Especially since you’re not forced to make it reproducible.

I wouldn’t suggest either to beginners either though.

I’m talking about day to day usage. Arch installation is a good learning experience, but running it for me was more trouble than it’s worth.

The worst issue I’ve had so far with nix is an update failing before it’s applied because of some package. Meanwhile arch would regularly update, and then fail to boot or break something.

I gave up on arch after a few years when I had to literally weigh whether -S or -Syu would be more likely to mess up my system while I was working abroad.

Got a lot of use for DE and other gui related modules in that usecase? Are you spinning up KDE to build a container? Did you write to the devs that they remove the installation wizard for desktop use? Did they accidentally add all of the non-reproducible imperative commands to nix?

Get over yourself. It’s a great distro for desktop use, and I seriously don’t get why you’re foaming at the mouth because people are using it differently than you…

Nixos > arch without a doubt