Love some Bog. I wish more Linux enthusiasts would give him a watch, as he even makes me go WTF every now and then, and I’m just a noob myself!

Oh, definitely! I am by no means trying to say Linux is inferior in anyway whatsoever, but I do think they need people like me to use the system in a way they may not have anticipated to have things improve for everyone, if that makes sense? Like, I can probably mess up most Linux installs simply by trying to replicate the workflow that has worked for me for years with no issues on Windows!

I don’t feel like you’re minimizing, I feel like you’re sharing your experience, and I appreciate you for that! I just feel like bringing these pain points up in the hope that someone might have an answer for me or others, I guess?

I started using Windows when I was 10 or 11, and got a virus, learned from it, and never had an issue with Windows again. I even learned how to mod my games back in those days (Oblivion with it’s simple enough for most things drag and drop modding). Basically, I can navigate most GUI and get the thing I was looking for working, but the moment you bring terminal commands to my eyeballs, I start thinking “this is how my machine gets ruined today, eh?” lol ;P

But, yes, once I got more comfortable in openSUSE and KDE, it is very hard to even consider going back to Windows or another distro since it took so much time for me to set my computer up the way I like it.

I feel like if I didn’t game and use my computer the way I do, my Linux experience would be like most that you see on the web. “It just works!” and all of that.

The Steam Deck has had one hiccup in my two years on it, and I just put it away until the next update, and poof, all fixed! I also use Decky plugins, so that could’ve very well been my issue!

I definitely feel you on the backend stuff. I upgraded one time and noticed that I had to wait a few days if not a week until I could use one of my apps, Proton Mail Bridge I believe, since the window wasn’t showing except for the title bar and the minimize, fullscreen, and exit buttons.

It’s… really weird how it all works until it doesn’t, which isn’t something I have ever experienced on Windows, though I keep in mind that this is all a community effort and the operating system really is good at its core, but I think it needs some people like me or you to bring these pain points up so they are seen and maybe even worked on.

Give me a Linux install, and I’ll show you how easily a user can wreck it just trying to recreate a workflow that they have on Windows. ;P

EDIT: No, I haven’t tried Nemo, but I will now that you’ve recommended it! Does it have split tab stuff like Dolphin? That’s a feature I use every single day to easily move stuff around all of my drives and NAS. :)

I am lucky enough to say that Windows has always been solid for me and I’ve never had any issues with anything I was trying to do with it.

On the other hand, I am usually just trying to play a game before the next day begins all over again, so I used ChrisTitusTech’s Windows Utility for fine grain control over when the system updates among the many other options it provides.

Basically, I set it up to not bother me with any updates except security updates for over 4 months, THEN the newer version can try to get installed. I haven’t had to use Windows except a handful of times since last December, so my memory may not be as clear as it should!

Sorry for the long wall of text! :)

I see.

I might just be dumb, but what I gathered when I was reading about openSUSE Tumbleweed is that a zypper dup should be the only command I need to worry about when updating the system. After looking at this for Leap, I think the way they handle them on Leap is a little extra for my taste, if that makes sense?

That was one of the main reasons of me using a rolling release. I do not want to spend whatever time I have left on the week days/weekend to do a whole system upgrade like that. I’m sure it works well, but it is not what I am looking for in my daily OS. :(

It shouldn’t be hard or too hard at least. Unless you are on BTRFS… I had quite a difficult time trying to move my openSUSE over to a new M.2 I got for my birthday, and it was hellishly complicated. I’ve used Rescuezilla to copy my Windows OS over to a different drive and it was as simple as choosing the stuff and executing. On BTRFS though… good god why is it so difficult to move it over and have it setup and ready to go like the Windows drive?? Crazy. :P

Thank you for your reply!

Are you using the same drive for the dual boot? I ripped a spare SSD from a dead laptop a few years back, and installed tiny11 onto it and used my newer SSD for openSUSE. I’ve never had any issues this way, if that helps?

My system is really just for PC gaming, so I understand!

I play games from the '90s all through the newest releases, so I do need the newest and most up to date drivers. Gaming is my hobby. :/

Yes, thank you, but when it comes to these point releases, I don’t want to have to practically reinstall the OS just for an update, if that makes sense? I appreciate the reply though, seriously! I just wanted to see what others had to say. :/

Ah, I see. Yes, I think I have the newest open-drivers for NVIDIA, but on openSUSE, I don’t see an option for a specific driver. Maybe when I have more time I will see what I can find! Thank you! :)

I don’t think distro hopping would be a good choice for me since I already have very little time to even game, let alone diagnose and fix my computer after what should be a simple update…

I’ve already painstakingly set my computer up the way I want it, which took days with the limited amount of time I have. It’s why I don’t want to update at all, actually, since when it is working fine, it’s working great. I also need the newer drivers and other stuff that a rolling release provides me, since I am trying to game mainly.

I can’t use immutable distros, because that over complicates me using my computer as my computer.

Ah. I do have an NVIDIA GPU also, so how would I go about making sure that I use a specific version of the GPU drivers? I’ve been on openSUSE for over a year now, and it has mostly been smooth sailing, but I do not have a lot of time after work to diagnose my computer when I just want to relax for two or three hours before having to end the day and a new work day start…

Might be off topic, but does anyone else dread the outcome of their Linux system after an update?

It seems like I always time my updates at the time when things go wrong. It makes me not even want to update my system at all, because it usually involves a lot of pain to get it back to a working AND updated state.

For example, last month on the 20th, I updated openSUSE Tumbleweed through zypper dup. All is well, and everything updated just fine. Well, after that update, I noticed Dolphin (the file browser that comes with KDE I think) crashes when creating a new folder in any of my drives, whether it be the main OS drive or one of my many HDDs inside of the computer case, or my NAS. Doesn’t matter, I go to create the folder, name it, and as soon as it is made, Dolphin freezes.

Well, I learned earlier this year that if my system is booting normally and able to play games (all I really care about to be honest), I REALLY shouldn’t touch it because the next update might break my stuff again. Well, on the 27th, I updated through zypper dup, and what do you know, my GEProton stuff no longer works. So, I spent the entire afternoon trying to figure out what I can do to get it working again, fail, boot back into a snapshot from before the update.

So, I just wanted to know what everyone else feels about updating their systems, especially if you have a similar use case like mine. :/

Black Ops 3 zombies is all me and my friends need! :)

You are amazing! Thank you for sharing with so much detail. I think this will be what I try next, thank you! :)

It really is a shame how humans are so quick to jump on opportunities without caring about a single thing involved in the process…

Hey there! This is my first time using a BTRFS system, so I don’t really know what I’m doing. I just thought I’d ask the community since most of the forums were from a few years ago.

I was aware of the snapshots but didn’t know I could use those on a completely different SSD to restore. How would I go about researching this? BTRFS snapshots to new SSD?

Thank you for the reply!

Thank you for your reply!

I have an external enclosure that I was using to have both a Live ISO USB and the old/new SSDs available. I’ve never used dd before, is there anything that might prevent it from working with BTRFS? I’ll look more into it as the day goes on!

YES. Exactly!

“Oh, what a WEIRDO for wanting to know about my insert obviously favorite thing / something they enjoy here!!!”

I’ve complimented peoples nails, their tattoos, their outfit/shoes, their accessory or any number of things you can think of that a normal person would consider a nice thing to be asked about, and even then some people just say thanks and then we sit there in silence when the door was wide open to say something, elaborate why the enjoy so and so, or ask something themselves.

That’s just the iceberg of course, I could rant and rave about the myriad of ways people are just so rude and/or self centered these days! It’s maddening, truly.

In a somewhat funny outcome, while I was reading into ways to become a better conversationalist (because I wanted to be better at it, since I never seemed to make friends very well LOL) everyone else was studying the book of “Isolationism, and You, the Main Character”.

I think the larger problem is that a huge portion of our planets current inhabitants don’t know how to have a conversation. I’ve tried so hard to have actual conversations to go deeper than “the weather/work/kids/etc.” It seems almost impossible to find someone who can not only think for themselves, but also think of something to CONTRIBUTE to the conversation.

It always goes like this (where I am from):

Me - (sees a few tattoos on their person) “I see you have some tattoos! Do they hold any special meaning to you, or did you just think they’d look good/cool? :)”

Them - “I just thought they were cool.”

Literally it. In the same position, even from someone who doesn’t like talking either, I would ask if the person asking about my tattoos has any. It’s really as simple as that for most people, or could be, I should say.

I stopped putting so much time into trying to open doors for actual conversation a few years ago when I realized people just don’t know how to talk to actual humans any more. It’s fucking weird.

*I understand some people have issues with social activities, and no harm done. This is a very common thing though, and I just don’t believe 90% of people who I have interacted with are those types of people, if you know what I mean?